Friday, February 27, 2009

Letter to John J. Wall, Law Student and American

I don’t know if this horrible screed crossed your path. It’s a letter, written allegedly by a law student “and an American.” If it did, it should have gone into your spam box. It’s from a site known as The Minuteman, which links you to Renew America, which links you to such things as Phyllis Schlafly telling us why Obama’s stimulus package is all wrong, how the courts killed Terri Schiavo, how the fall of Adam marked Western Civilization, no mention being made of the Enlightenment, etc. It comes in at least one variation.

I don’t troll the John Birch sites or read Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin, so I would never have seen it if it were not for a born-again member of my family who loves to bait me as much as I love being baited. I thank him for it.

Here's the letter, titled Divorce Proposal, and signed "John J. Law, Law Student and an American" followed by my point-by-point response.

Divorce Proposal

We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile; slate it up to irreconcilable differences, and go on our own ways.

Here is a model dissolution agreement:

Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement.

After that it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like re distributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.

Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell (you are however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move them).

We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan Hockey Moms, greedy CEO's, and Rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood.

You can make nice with Iran, Palestine , and France, and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protestors. When our allies or way of life are under assault, we'll provide them job security.

We'll keep our Judeo-Christian Values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru Station Wagon you can find.

You can give everyone healthcare, if you can find any practicing Doctors (that is practicing, Howard Dean) who will follow you to your turf.

We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.

We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach The World To Sing, Kum Ba Ya, or We Are the World.

We'll practice trickle down economics, and you can give trickle up poverty its best shot.

Since it often so offends you we'll keep our History, our Name, and our Flag.

Would you agree to this? If so please pass it along to other likeminded patriots, and if you do not agree just hit delete and hang on.

In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR on who will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,

John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

P.S. Please take Barbra Streisand.

Dear John:

Thanks for your letter suggesting you conservatives and we lefties divorce and divide up the country. Let me take up your points (reproduced here in italics) one at a time:
Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement.
OK. We’ll take the East and West Coasts, the university towns, like Madison and Austin, Chicago, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico – actually, come to think of it, no, you can’t have any part of my beautiful country. Let’s move on to the next point.
After that it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes. We don't like re distributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
Now you’re talking. You can have the portion of the country where people like yourself pay a third of your income while the fat cats pay less than 10%. Without your complicity, this wouldn’t work. Have at it. As for the ACLU, yes, we’ll take them. They are the folks pushing for an open trial for Omar Khadr, who was captured at 15 or 16, brought to Guantanamo and tortured, and has been there these past seven years slowly going mad, without ever being able to have access to a lawyer or his family. Yes, by all means give us the ACLU.
Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell (you are however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move them).
You don’t hate war? Really? You can’t have the cops. We need them and the military to protect us from others who also don't hate war. But I won’t call them if you carry off the NRA. Let’s leave off the ad hominems.
We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies, and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan Hockey Moms, greedy CEO's, and Rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood.
We’ll both be keeping capitalism. You can have the greedy corporations; we’ll take the rest. You can have Wal-Mart, but you’re going to have to start paying health and retirement benefits Wal-Mart fails to pay its employees. We’re tired of your tapping into our tax money to do that. “Beloved homeless”? The folks your man Reagan tossed onto the streets way back when? We don’t always love them, but we’ll take them. When Christ comes to visit, I trust you understand he’ll be spending more time with us than with you. You want Sarah Palin? Good Lord, she’s yours! Greedy CEOs come with the greedy corporations which you’ve already spoken for. Rednecks? No, we’ll have to argue over them on a case by case basis. If it were up to me you could certainly have all the Bibles. Who do you know other than Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot who has done more harm than the folk who wave Bibles? Unfortunately, there are some on our side who actually read the Bible, and they insist just because you don’t understand it doesn’t mean you have a right to own it.
You can make nice with Iran, Palestine, and France, and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protestors. When our allies or way of life are under assault, we'll provide them job security.
Make nice with France? Now there’s a concept. Do you have the faintest idea what you are giving away? Crepes? Edith Piaf? The concept of human rights? Fois gras? Thank you, thank you, thank you. Read Reading Lolita in Teheran again before you give away Iran. You might have second thoughts. Palestine you don’t want to “make nice” with? Shall we go on for another fifty, sixty years like this, raising kids in refugee camps? Really? When our allies are under assault? We barely have allies anymore, thanks to your President Bush. I’ve been talking lately with people who keep track of Iraqi refugees. Did you know there are as many as five million displaced people in that country, including virtually the entire middle class? That the once well-educated populace is becoming one of the least well-educated – all thanks to your inclination to “invade and hammer” places that threaten us. Maybe if Iraq had actually threatened us, we’d have an argument here, but they never did. Unfortunately the educational level of the United States has sunk so low that we now have a critical mass of people who are willing to believe simply because the Iraqis shared a religious identity with the criminals from Saudi Arabia who hit the Twin Towers and the thugs working in Afghanistan and Pakistan (and not Iraq) who hid their leader, it’s OK to “invade and hammer” them.
We'll keep our Judeo-Christian Values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill. We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Subaru Station Wagon you can find.
Your Judeo-Christian Values. “Blessed are they who invade and hammer…"?

You like your SUVs and oversized luxury cars? So do we, but are you really that clueless? Do you really not know what we’ve done to Planet Earth in recent years? Do you really not know how dire the problem is? Why is that? Do you not read?
You can give everyone healthcare, if you can find any practicing Doctors (that is practicing, Howard Dean) who will follow you to your turf.
We'll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
Judeo-Christian values again. “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me." Was it was Mohammad who said that? It really ought to be easier for me, who doesn’t live by the Bible, to throw the little people to the wolves. Why are our positions reversed on this? Next time you pray to Jesus, would you ask him to help me make the cut – which kids get medical attention, which kids get left out in the rain?
We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republic and the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach The World To Sing, Kum Ba Ya, or We Are the World.
OK, you can have the Battle Hymn if you want it. We’ll share the National Anthem. Thanks for Imagine and those others. I don’t want them, but I know some who will appreciate them. None of them are “substitutes” for the National Anthem, though. We’ll really have to share that.
We'll practice trickle down economics, and you can give trickle up poverty its best shot.
It will give me no end of joy and fascination to watch you work your wonders with trickle down economics in this day and age. Lots of luck. We’ll be rooting for you.
Since it often so offends you we'll keep our History, our Name, and our Flag.
Good Lord, your history? Excuse me, History. You think History belongs to you? Are you on drugs? And the Flag (also capital F, I see.) No, you can’t have that. It’s our flag. Flag. We’ll even pay to have it cleaned, if you like. Somebody on your side smeared excrement all over it by torturing prisoners in our name. When it comes back clean, it will have to remain on our side, thanks all the same.
Would you agree to this? If so please pass it along to other likeminded patriots, and if you do not agree just hit delete and hang on.

In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you ANWAR on who will need whose help in 15 years.

Sincerely,

John J. Wall
Law Student and an American

P.S. Please take Barbra Streisand.
OK.

Sincerely,


Alan J. McCornick
Retired and also an American

32 comments:

atl said...

Divorce Agreement

Dear American conservatives, rightists, reactionaries, fascists and Republican supporters, et al:

We liberals would prefer to stick with our family values and work things out rather than go through a divorce based on irreconcilable differences. We always believe things can be worked out (music fade in......"We are the World, We are the Children", and "Imagine"...music fade out).

However, we know you conservatives change partners as fast as televangelists change wives. We understand that you are just remaining true to your American Revolutionary spirit.

We liberals may have our heads in the clouds, but fortunately (for us) and unfortunately (for you), we have the lion's share of the lawyers. Now lawyers are tricky devils, and they tell me you forgot to divide some rather important property. Should you agree to the following, I'm sure our divorce will be fair and amicable and we won't put up too much of a fuss:

First:
We’ll take all the scientists that belong to the National Academy of Sciences, and you can take the states most affected by global warming or as some of you like to say "climate change".

Second:
You take high gasoline prices and mega houses, and we’ll take electric cars, solar panels, and wind mills. We'll put up with some short term sacrifices so that so we aren't supporting the mega rich oil nations that are bent on our destruction. You can continue to do business with the House of Saud.

Third:
We’ll take the open source programmers, and the other denizens of Silicon Valley, and you can take the graduates of Bob Jones University who believe man walked with dinosaurs. Of course, you won’t have any vaccines or antibiotics for infectious diseases since those medicines are developed solely on the theory of evolutionary biology, but we’ll cede to you the “laying on of hands” for your medical R&D. And let us not forget that your conservative legislators can just pass laws against viruses or bacterium. Wow, conservatives really do have a comprehensive medical plan!

Fourth:
We’ll take NPR any day over Rush Limbaugh and his illegal drug habit. By the way, you'll be glad you kept your SUVs since you will need one to fit him into – maybe two. Just don't forget his "stash". He gets testy without it.

Fifth:
Remember that Universal Health Care is our baby. We sincerely hope you will find a job that will give you health care or hasn’t been shipped overseas.

Sixth:
I don’t think you can take all of the Armed Forces. Colin Powell and the other Obama supporters in the Armed Forces will probably come with us. Of course we're happy to let you have Hurricane Katrina, while we keep the Navy Seals that took out the Somali pirates.

Seventh:
I predict that when we take all the “liberal Hollywood producers”, you’ll find a number of conservatives who crossover to see their favorite TV programs or big budget films. TV and movies made by conservatives don’t play so well with the masses, liberal or conservative. I'll bet more time is spent by conservatives watching TV and movies than reading the Bible and going to church.

Please speak with our lawyers if this is amenable to you. We're out saving the whales right now.

P.S. Oh, and please take Bernie Madoff and AIG with you. Both flourished under Bush, Inc. They’ll feel right at home with you guys.

atl said...

Divorce Agreement

Dear American conservatives, rightists, reactionaries, fascists and Republican supporters, et al:

We liberals would prefer to stick with our family values and work things out rather than go through a divorce based on irreconcilable differences. We always believe things can be worked out (music fade in......"We are the World, We are the Children", and "Imagine"...music fade out).

However, we know you conservatives change partners as fast as televangelists change wives. We understand that you are just remaining true to your American Revolutionary spirit.

We liberals may have our heads in the clouds, but fortunately (for us) and unfortunately (for you), we have the lion's share of the lawyers. Now lawyers are tricky devils, and they tell me you forgot to divide some rather important property. Should you agree to the following, I'm sure our divorce will be fair and amicable and we won't put up too much of a fuss:

First:
We’ll take all the scientists that belong to the National Academy of Sciences, and you can take the states most affected by global warming or as some of you like to say "climate change".

Second:
You take high gasoline prices and mega houses, and we’ll take electric cars, solar panels, and wind mills. We'll put up with some short term sacrifices so that so we aren't supporting the mega rich oil nations that are bent on our destruction. You can continue to do business with the House of Saud.

Third:
We’ll take the open source programmers, and the other denizens of Silicon Valley, and you can take the graduates of Bob Jones University who believe man walked with dinosaurs. Of course, you won’t have any vaccines or antibiotics for infectious diseases since those medicines are developed solely on the theory of evolutionary biology, but we’ll cede to you the “laying on of hands” for your medical R&D. And let us not forget that your conservative legislators can just pass laws against viruses or bacterium. Wow, conservatives really do have a comprehensive medical plan!

Fourth:
We’ll take NPR any day over Rush Limbaugh and his illegal drug habit. By the way, you'll be glad you kept your SUVs since you will need one to fit him into – maybe two. Just don't forget his "stash". He gets testy without it.

Fifth:
Remember that Universal Health Care is our baby. We sincerely hope you will find a job that will give you health care or hasn’t been shipped overseas.

Sixth:
I don’t think you can take all of the Armed Forces. Colin Powell and the other Obama supporters in the Armed Forces will probably come with us. Of course we're happy to let you have Hurricane Katrina, while we keep the Navy Seals that took out the Somali pirates.

Seventh:
I predict that when we take all the “liberal Hollywood producers”, you’ll find a number of conservatives who crossover to see their favorite TV programs or big budget films. TV and movies made by conservatives don’t play so well with the masses, liberal or conservative. I'll bet more time is spent by conservatives watching TV and movies than reading the Bible and going to church.

Please speak with our lawyers if this is amenable to you. We're out saving the whales right now.

P.S. Oh, and please take Bernie Madoff and AIG with you. Both flourished under Bush, Inc. They’ll feel right at home with you guys.

Vickie said...

I don't care who wrote the Divorce Agreement - whether a law student or a group called the minutemen. What I do care about, is that not all but just about all of the points are supportable. I and many millions of other Americans would support him/them. It is those that disagree with him/them that continue to divide this country and make it the mess that it is and the disaster that it is becoming. All the quibble that you wrote to defend you stand against each of his/their comments, was just that, quibble. Just garbage. More of the same crap that we continue to get from the government, from Obama, from his followers, from those that will eventually lead us down to such a withered group of unhappy, beaten down people, with taxes so high and health care so low, that we don't want to live, let allow aren't able to afford to live. Write on John J. Wall or whomever he stands for. Right on and millions will vote for what you stand for, because your ideals are all we have left to help us stay alive.

buddy97 said...

Thanks to Vickie who said so succinctly exactly what I believe. Government schools and lazy parents have so let America down. Just look at the drivel from some of the posters here!!

Belinda said...

HELP A PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL OUT
Since growing weary of not responding to this type of rant and in answer to the Divorce Agreement Proposal, I agree to what is being proposed however, my Liberal, Democrat, Progressive, Obama supporter self finally feels compelled enough to answer by saying:

We'll keep Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security and you can support all the millions of Republican elderly, disabled, orphaned and widowed that now live off those "socialist programs."

If we find a "bio-diesel" big enough to haul our loud mouths, Oprah, Rosie and Michael we'll let you know and share so you'll be able to haul around Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Pat O'Rielly, Jerry Falwell, Don Wildmon and the next ultra conservative Jessie Helms type that you will certainly elect.

Although banning anything is against your principle of absolutely no government intrusion into your lives, contradict your self again and ban abortion and let thousands of teenage girls and women die from back alley coat hanger abortions. We'll pray for them at our "hippie campfires" while we sing "Kum Ba Ya". Or we'll just allow them passage through our border if they will agree to play nice. You all need to sign up to adopt a dozen or so unwanted children, good thing you got those big gas guzzling SUV's to carry them in. I'll propose we export some fuel(at a fair profit) to you, since you won't be able to get it from the Middle East, while you're "hammering" them. We'll also pray at one of those peaceful "hippie campfires" that they don't fire a nuke at you in the name of Jihad. Maybe that hot Alaskan Hockey Mom will let you drill in her state, that should provide about 10% of what you need in about 25 years. Perhaps that ex-President in Texas (you know the one who lied to us about the weapons of mass destruction, ran our economy in the ground and unlawfully tortured prisoners) will help with the shortfall, he owns some oil companies, of course I feel confident his greed will have him making at least 75% profit.

However, if you don't want to adopt a dozen children, send the unwanted over the border and we'll invent some socialist program for them (Aide to Republican Unwanted or ARU for short.) We'll also "teach them to sing" and the proper way to "hug trees." By the way, if you feel compelled enough please consider explaining to us thick headed liberals how war, guns and prisoner torture that kill are OK for any reason but abortion to protect a woman's life should be banned along with abortion on demand. Also, why it's alright to tell women that they can't have an abortion (rarely holding the man who helped create the pregnancy responsible) but you are against the government putting any restrictions on anything you think is OK (guns, second hand smoke, torture etc.)

Since you kept all the Bibles (denying the majority of us our guide for how we try to live), why don't you try reading the part about love for your fellow man and not judging others. It's Ok, most of us remember that part anyway.

We'll keep all the illegal Mexican, Honduras and all other illegal and legal immigrants that want to stay (along with any of the immigrant descendants in your family, oh wait, that's all of them unless you are native American Indian)who want to cohort with us liberals, who work their butts off (the minority lazy ones too.) I don't know who will work in your Walmart, fast food restaurants or construction industry but our immigrants can keep sending most of their money home to their families because we'll now embrace those countries too,as you said we are singing "We are the World."

The only problem is I'll miss some of my Republican friends (the few decent, non judgmental ones)that I love dearly. Please find it in your heart to help a progressive liberal out and make sure those crazy, judgmental, gun toting, religious zealot, bible quoting (when it serves their purpose) ultra conservative Republican fear mongers don't shoot my ass with their deer rifle when I slip over your border to visit.

Belinda Speight
Proud Liberal

Mrs. McLarty said...

Wow- I don't know which is worse, the original divorce agreement or the horrible response.
I personally think this article shows how the balance of the two sides is what makes our country work. It's about balancing change with our history and being open minded while staying true to your beliefs. Division is what will destroy this country and we're well on our way. Ironic that no one will have to destroy us, we'll do it ourselves....

Belinda said...

Mrs. McCarthy,

I agree, it was meant to be satire. An impossible solution with a sarcastic tone (not unlike the tone of the author of the Divorce Areement) from a liberal point of view. It was a rebuttal of the insulting (at least to me) things proposed in the Divorce Agreement. I mean, of course we all have to work to find some shread of common ground despite our very different opinions. We all have friends, loved ones and acquantances that enrich our lives despite having profoundly different views. I see my humor was wasted on you. Lighten up!
Belinda

BeAwareBeAccountable said...

I've read the rebuttle and just contend that all of our bias's emerge from some type of information. In some cases, name-calling is the result. In others, it is obvious that historical FACTS were or were not considered. Oh well, if you're gonna spew your heart and emotions without basing them on FACTS, that's just too bad. Oh, BTW, it was Jesus not Mohammad (Matthew 25:40) nuf said....................

john said...

my my such an angry liberal...so angry you can't get your facts straight

Mark said...

Both sides of this argument should be ashamed. You are all talking about treason (the kind you can get hanged for). We had a war over secession a long time ago. Lets not repeat that.

Anne Marie said...

@BeAwareBeAccountable said...

"Oh well, if you're gonna spew your heart and emotions without basing them on FACTS, that's just too bad. Oh, BTW, it was Jesus not Mohammad (Matthew 25:40) nuf said.................... "

Uh, yeah, that was the joke. People claim Christian values and don't follow that basic teachings so the author sarcastically brought it up and suggested it was from another religion since many Christians aren't following the teaching.

kneedragon76 said...

WOW - One Lawyer that makes since and yet another bleeding heart libtard...

MorningStar said...

Wow, Mr. Wall really nailed it. It's so true. If the left had it's own region it may as well be called "New Tibet" because without any corporate profits to build an army or pay for the basics y'all would be subjugated by the Chinese in no time. Enjoy your rice while I sample baseball, american pie, and stealth aircraft!!!

Brian said...

What a dumb little diatribe by a law student. Where did you go to school? Oral Roberts University? I believe this drivel was written by some conservative nut with nothing better to do. Maybe Glen Beck. Anyhow, splitting up America is wishful thinking. So why bother? It's never going to happen. The last time it did there was a war were the "liberal" north defeated the "conservative" south. And, I don't think the "conservatives" military or intellectual acumen has improved much since then. Anyway, please don't confuse me for a liberal, I am not. I consider myself very much in the middle. I tend to lean a little bit towards the liberal side, but only because more of their ideas make more sense to me. I also lean a bit towards conservatism too, but only in the fiscal sense. I like fiscal conservatism, but "trickle down economics, supply side economics, and Reaganomics" haven't done squat for the national debt and continuing to support politicians who believe in such things is just dumb. Google a chart of "National debt as a percentage of GDP" and you'll see which politicians have truly been doing something about the debt. You'd be surprised to find that the "so called conservatives" are not as conservative as they would have you believe. Sure they are socially conservative, religiously conservative, but NOT financially conservative. And don't get me wrong, liberals have their problems too! Usually their ideas are well intended but they tend to go overboard with them. Such as, energy policies that stifle growth, over reaching into abortion issues, and most recently the Arizona / immigration issue. Trust me when I say that "Neither side has got it right", but the Dem's are trying to move America in "mostly" the right direction. I think that both of these parties could stand to meet somewhere in the middle. Here are some examples. Abortion, I'm not a fan of abortion, but if it means a young woman can have a career rather than be a drag on society, I'm all for it. Republicans, quit trying to get rid of abortion. It's here to stay and it's not always a bad idea for the person involved. An individuals choice, NOT your church's choice. Democrats, I don't want to fund abortions with my tax money. It's the individuals problem, not mine. Religion. Republicans, quit trying to inject religion, Christianity more specifically, into every facet of Americans lives. There are so many denominations of Christianity that you couldn't possibly please all of them. Not to mention, your offending people who are not Christians. Democrats, I applaud your efforts to keep government and religion separate, but I'm not offended when someone wants to have a minute or two of prayer. If it makes them feel better to do it. I'm happy for you. Last example, the economy. Republicans, lowering taxes and then wondering why the deficit is going higher is stupid. If you're not taking in enough to cover what's going out, you're doing it wrong. Democrats, you definitely have the formula correct for paying down the debt, but we're not trying to pay it off too quickly. Taxes only need to increase when the GDP is increasing. Also cutting spending when taxes are increasing is how you get that debt down. On a final note, this one is for Republicans and Democrats to a lesser extent. Stop with all the political pundits! If you don't have a degree in the social or economic government policy your comment on, your comment needs to be prefaced with "In my opinion". The likes of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter are pundits / entertainers. Entertainers can get away with saying whatever they want because they're "ENTERTAINERS". If they tried to tell you anything they were saying was a fact on a "NEWS PROGRAM" they would find their butts in court for slander before the ink dried on the summons. Just look what happened to Dan Rather.

Brian said...

What a dumb little diatribe by a law student. Where did you go to school? Oral Roberts University? I believe this drivel was written by some conservative nut with nothing better to do. Maybe Glen Beck. Anyhow, splitting up America is wishful thinking. So why bother? It's never going to happen. The last time it did there was a war were the "liberal" north defeated the "conservative" south. And, I don't think the "conservatives" military or intellectual acumen has improved much since then. Anyway, please don't confuse me for a liberal, I am not. I consider myself very much in the middle. I tend to lean a little bit towards the liberal side, but only because more of their ideas make more sense to me. I also lean a bit towards conservatism too, but only in the fiscal sense. I like fiscal conservatism, but "trickle down economics, supply side economics, and Reaganomics" haven't done squat for the national debt and continuing to support politicians who believe in such things is just dumb. Google a chart of "National debt as a percentage of GDP" and you'll see which politicians have truly been doing something about the debt. You'd be surprised to find that the "so called conservatives" are not as conservative as they would have you believe. Sure they are socially conservative, religiously conservative, but NOT financially conservative. And don't get me wrong, liberals have their problems too! Usually their ideas are well intended but they tend to go overboard with them. Such as, energy policies that stifle growth, over reaching into abortion issues, and most recently the Arizona / immigration issue. Trust me when I say that "Neither side has got it right", but the Dem's are trying to move America in "mostly" the right direction. I think that both of these parties could stand to meet somewhere in the middle. Here are some examples. Abortion, I'm not a fan of abortion, but if it means a young woman can have a career rather than be a drag on society, I'm all for it. Republicans, quit trying to get rid of abortion. It's here to stay and it's not always a bad idea for the person involved. An individuals choice, NOT your church's choice. Democrats, I don't want to fund abortions with my tax money. It's the individuals problem, not mine. Religion. Republicans, quit trying to inject religion, Christianity more specifically, into every facet of Americans lives. There are so many denominations of Christianity that you couldn't possibly please all of them. Not to mention, your offending people who are not Christians. Democrats, I applaud your efforts to keep government and religion separate, but I'm not offended when someone wants to have a minute or two of prayer. If it makes them feel better to do it. I'm happy for you. Last example, the economy. Republicans, lowering taxes and then wondering why the deficit is going higher is stupid. If you're not taking in enough to cover what's going out, you're doing it wrong. Democrats, you definitely have the formula correct for paying down the debt, but we're not trying to pay it off too quickly. Taxes only need to increase when the GDP is increasing. Also cutting spending when taxes are increasing is how you get that debt down. On a final note, this one is for Republicans and Democrats to a lesser extent. Stop with all the political pundits! If you don't have a degree in the social or economic government policy your comment on, your comment needs to be prefaced with "In my opinion". The likes of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter are pundits / entertainers. Entertainers can get away with saying whatever they want because they're "ENTERTAINERS". If they tried to tell you anything they were saying was a fact on a "NEWS PROGRAM" they would find their butts in court for slander before the ink dried on the summons. Just look what happened to Dan Rather.

Brian said...

What a dumb little diatribe by a law student. Where did you go to school? Oral Roberts University? I believe this drivel was written by some conservative nut with nothing better to do. Maybe Glen Beck. Anyhow, splitting up America is wishful thinking. So why bother? It's never going to happen. The last time it did there was a war were the "liberal" north defeated the "conservative" south. And, I don't think the "conservatives" military or intellectual acumen has improved much since then. Anyway, please don't confuse me for a liberal, I am not. I consider myself very much in the middle. I tend to lean a little bit towards the liberal side, but only because more of their ideas make more sense to me. I also lean a bit towards conservatism too, but only in the fiscal sense. I like fiscal conservatism, but "trickle down economics, supply side economics, and Reaganomics" haven't done squat for the national debt and continuing to support politicians who believe in such things is just dumb. Google a chart of "National debt as a percentage of GDP" and you'll see which politicians have truly been doing something about the debt. You'd be surprised to find that the "so called conservatives" are not as conservative as they would have you believe. Sure they are socially conservative, religiously conservative, but NOT financially conservative. And don't get me wrong, liberals have their problems too! Usually their ideas are well intended but they tend to go overboard with them. Such as, energy policies that stifle growth, over reaching into abortion issues, and most recently the Arizona / immigration issue. Trust me when I say that "Neither side has got it right", but the Dem's are trying to move America in "mostly" the right direction. I think that both of these parties could stand to meet somewhere in the middle. Here are some examples. Abortion, I'm not a fan of abortion, but if it means a young woman can have a career rather than be a drag on society, I'm all for it. Republicans, quit trying to get rid of abortion. It's here to stay and it's not always a bad idea for the person involved. An individuals choice, NOT your church's choice. Democrats, I don't want to fund abortions with my tax money. It's the individuals problem, not mine. Religion. Republicans, quit trying to inject religion, Christianity more specifically, into every facet of Americans lives. There are so many denominations of Christianity that you couldn't possibly please all of them. Not to mention, your offending people who are not Christians. Democrats, I applaud your efforts to keep government and religion separate, but I'm not offended when someone wants to have a minute or two of prayer. If it makes them feel better to do it. I'm happy for you. Last example, the economy. Republicans, lowering taxes and then wondering why the deficit is going higher is stupid. If you're not taking in enough to cover what's going out, you're doing it wrong. Democrats, you definitely have the formula correct for paying down the debt, but we're not trying to pay it off too quickly. Taxes only need to increase when the GDP is increasing. Also cutting spending when taxes are increasing is how you get that debt down. On a final note, this one is for Republicans and Democrats to a lesser extent. Stop with all the political pundits! If you don't have a degree in the social or economic government policy your comment on, your comment needs to be prefaced with "In my opinion". The likes of Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter are pundits / entertainers. Entertainers can get away with saying whatever they want because they're "ENTERTAINERS". If they tried to tell you anything they were saying was a fact on a "NEWS PROGRAM" they would find their butts in court for slander before the ink dried on the summons. Just look what happened to Dan Rather.

Just being honest said...

Brian, saying it three times doesn't make any more believable.

Brian said...

Just being honest, this website doesn't work so well, "error messages", hence the three postings. My apologies for redundancy. It was meant to be a statement not a wordy slogan.

moonwolf23 said...

Both sides are idiots. Both writers needs to have their heads knocked together.

PacMan said...

"A horrible screed?" Alan McCornick you are a retired old fool! You know John J. Wall nailed it, and it's funny as heck! All your drivel amounts to is a waste of good space. For those who got so serious here, you need to lighten up and laugh a little. Life is too short to get your panties all in a knot...

Oki said...

This is an AZZHAT loser, retired? Retarded is more like it! I've been working for 41 years and always paid for my families and my health insurance, in fact the only time I have not had insurance and a job for that matter is since this thieving piece of crap you left wing c*** S*****s love, I'm so sure we are on the verge of civil war, that I'm happy obama happened now...2012 is the year we take back America by FORCE!

Anonymous said...

Our Side approved this message,

We'll take everything and support from everyone who supports our side. You can have the conservative end. You'll eventually figure out where the money comes from when your side is filing chapter 7. Could this be the reason your taking the time to argue with our side? Your side needs to take a seat so our side can restore the country. The way I see it your side will never return again without a very short leash.

Anonymous said...

The letter was obviously written by someone with little or no life experience. Here's your first lesson. Politics is a game of deception in the interest of winning economic control. Our game is to find the least deceptive lyer. So far, So good with what we have.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I don't have time to read all this garbage, or even refute so many unfacts. :) Anyway, libs we are not ever your "dears" and never will be. We may be kicking your a$$e$, but we will never be your servants. Happy trails...

Roscoe Bonifitucci said...

Rock on J.J. Wall. We are with you and subscribe to your Common Sense Philosophy rather than the failed 19th Century European philosophy called Marxism. Socialism is pathetic and has murdered over 100 million since inception. Obama and his gang of looney toons are busy trying to destroy America and remake it into yet another 3rd World Socialist Crap Hole.

DaPipp said...

In support of John J Wall, I'd like to point out that if the left truly agrees with this and goes along with it, they'll be gone in a generation anyway because of their beliefs in abortion... +1 for the birthers!

Anonymous said...

I just scratch my head when I read people's remarks and quotations from the Bible. God says, you don't work, you don't eat, pretty simple. As far as "love", God's love is not what the majority, "think" it is. God is not "fair", He is "Just"....big difference. And if you have not accepted Jesus Christ as you Lord and Savior into your heart, then you don't have the Holy Spirit within in you to open your spiritual eyes to understand an infinite Gods Word with a finite mind.

Tom Price said...

I agree with pacman, I would also like to point out on the rebuttal , he could forget about ever getting Austin, while it may be a hotbed of liberal action, there are still way to many conservatives there who happen to just tolerate the liberals doing their thing to ever allow it to fall into liberal control. I'm Texas borne and bred , our history is as rich or richer than the American story itself, the only state which fought solely for its own independence. Though satire , many in this great land would agree with John J, that being said why don't we just give the liberals the blue states and the conservatives the red states. The red states won't have to worry about illegal immigrants because I'm sure the blues will welcome them with open arms and plenty of handouts, until they run out that is... Socialist agendas do not work people , that's why Russia failed, north Korea, is in shambles socio-economically speaking , and even China is beginning to feel the throes of a down economy, they love what capitalism can produce but still run the country on socialist principles ... Their people are oppressed...

Tom Price said...

I agree with pacman, I would also like to point out on the rebuttal , he could forget about ever getting Austin, while it may be a hotbed of liberal action, there are still way to many conservatives there who happen to just tolerate the liberals doing their thing to ever allow it to fall into liberal control. I'm Texas borne and bred , our history is as rich or richer than the American story itself, the only state which fought solely for its own independence. Though satire , many in this great land would agree with John J, that being said why don't we just give the liberals the blue states and the conservatives the red states. The red states won't have to worry about illegal immigrants because I'm sure the blues will welcome them with open arms and plenty of handouts, until they run out that is... Socialist agendas do not work people , that's why Russia failed, north Korea, is in shambles socio-economically speaking , and even China is beginning to feel the throes of a down economy, they love what capitalism can produce but still run the country on socialist principles ... Their people are oppressed...

Annie said...

Well, clearly, like all divorces, it's going to get nasty.

Tim said...

Atl and Belinda, Would you mind if I shared some of your points on my Facebook in response to the John J Wall letter? I would credit you of course.
Thanks,
Tim M

WyoCalGirl said...

Off Topic: I find the name of this site fascinating. For someone who seems so anti-God, I am surprised that of all the names you could choose for your blog, you chose "Hepzibah", a Biblical name.

It comes from the Book of Isaiah (an educated and privileged Jew who lived around 740-680 B.C.). In Chapter 62 he prophesies about God's undying love for Israel, and how He will not always hide His face from her. Hepzibah is found in verse 4.

I have included the surrounding scriptures to keep context. (The rule of context is, Context Rules).

Isaiah 62:1-4. I chose the Amplified Version, so your commenters who aren't very familiar with the Bible can also read along:

"For Zion’s sake will I [Isaiah] not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem’s sake I will not rest until her imputed righteousness and vindication go forth as brightness, and her salvation radiates as does a burning torch.

2 And the nations shall see your righteousness and vindication [your rightness and justice—not your own, but His ascribed to you], and all kings shall behold your salvation and glory; and you shall be called by a new name which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

3 You shall also be [so beautiful and prosperous as to be thought of as] a crown of glory and honor in the hand of the Lord, and a royal diadem [exceedingly beautiful] in the hand of your God.

4 You [Judah] shall no more be termed Forsaken, nor shall your land be called Desolate any more. But you shall be called Hephzibah [My delight is in her], and your land be called Beulah [married]; for the Lord delights in you, and your land shall be married [owned and protected by the Lord]."

What is really fascinating is that Hepzibah was the mother Manasseh, who was King of Judah at the time. He was a wicked king who was actually responsible for Isaiah's martyrdom. (He was put in a tree stump and sawed in two.) Isaiah's name means "Salvation comes from the Lord." Manasseh eventually repented of his evil, and God forgave him.